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When Things Get Weird at Church

Lately I was watching a documentary on Netflix about The Jonestown Massacre and it reminded me how things can sometimes go wrong at church.

If you aren’t familiar with the Jonestown story, it’s a heartbreaking tale of a group of people on a mission to create a utopian society. It started off pretty innocent. Admirable, even. A group of individuals committed to treating everyone with dignity, calling people to step into a lifestyle of wholeness and healing.

Over the years, however, something shifted. It started with a move from the United States to the jungles of South American and ending with over nine hundred men, women and children drinking cyanide-laced Kool-Aid, committing mass suicide at the direction of their leader Jim Jones.

By that time it was too late. No one really understood what had happened.

The most terrifying part about the whole thing, to me, was listening to the testament of five survivors who escaped the massacre that day. As I listened to their stories I expected them to say things like, “Jones was just a monster,” or “He tied us up, and we couldn’t find a way out,” but instead I heard them talk about how Jim Jones was known for his kindness, charisma, and heart for justice.

That’s why they were a part of his movement.

“This wasn’t some group of zombies,” one of the men explained.

“These were high-functioning, thinking people just like you and me.”

The documentary showed footage of Mr. Jones touching people who were considered “untouchable” at the time, much like is recorded of Jesus so many times in the Gospels. Indiana, where Jones’ preaching career began, was laced with racism at the time he lived there, but Jones stood against such attitudes. He embraced the black community in a way no other church was doing.

In fact, he even adopted a black child into his family, far before that was the socially “in” thing to do.

That’s the part that got to me.

Things didn’t start bad with Jim Jones’ church. They got bad over time. And it made me think about how things can deteriorate when we stop asking questions.

There was another gut-wrenching church incident in the media lately.

None of the details have been confirmed, so I tell the story cautiously. But as far as I can gather, it goes something like this: A young man, connected to a well-known and popular institution within the evangelical community, was practicing several more-than-controversial “spiritual disciplines” in his “Bible Study.”

When his wife threatened to tell her counselor, this young man commissioned a friend to murder her.

She was killed. It was staged as a suicide.

Much like Jonestown, those left in the aftermath of this tragedy didn’t say things like, “we thought he would kill us,” or “I felt so trapped I just couldn’t say anything.”

They said, essentially, he tricked us.

I heard one girl (not in the Bible study) explain in an interview how, as far as she could tell, this man was a good, upstanding Christian. Another young man described how his life had, at one point, been positively impacted by this young man’s influence.

Again, the details of this case have yet to be confirmed, and the institutions involved are, for obvious reasons, distancing themselves from the group altogether. But that’s not really the point. I’m not interested in arguing details none of us know.

I’m just saying — why aren’t we asking more questions?

Are we afraid of them?

It’s difficult because it’s not like we need more reasons to question the church. Since the beginning of time, God’s people have given us plenty of reason to wonder if they’re trustworthy, to mistrust their leadership, to hesitate before we believe what they are saying. Christianity today, at least in my generation, bears the scars of this generational distrust.

Sometimes, this keeps us from engaging with the Institution of church.

We’re not unaware this makes us look a little paranoid at times, a little bit overreactive perhaps. We’re aware of the watchful eyes of our parent’s generation that seem to be saying, “sometimes it’s good to trust!”

But at the same time, these stories remind us why questions matter.

Questions are healthy.

God isn’t scared of our questions.

Questions can get us stuck if we’re not careful. After all, not all questions have answers, and the space that is left over, especially when it comes to something as vague and experiential as faith, has to be filled with trust. But questions can’t hurt us if we have nothing to hide, can they?

Do you tend to ask questions, or avoid them? What has been your experience?

[Photo, Zestbienbeautouza, Creative Commons]

About The Author

Allison is a writer, managing editor of Prodigal Magazine and author of Packing Light: Thoughts on Living Life with Less Baggage (Moody, 2013). She lives in Minneapolis, Minnesota with her husband Darrell. You can follow her daily on Twitter or Facebook.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Katherine-Harms/602268732 Katherine Harms

    This post is very important. We all need to remember that we cannot ever allow our respect for Christian leaders to override the gift of intelligence God has given to each of us. Right now I am struggling with a problem in my own church, and it is all about a seemingly simple solution to a complicated problem. When the solution is boiled down, it says that people have outgrown the Bible in this one respect so we have to figure out the solution without the guidance of Scripture. Talk about weird. I don’t buy it, but a lot of good people say that the men at the top must know best. It is easy for me to see how that could have happened to the Jonestown group. In fact, as soon as we ever say that the evidence we see must be ignored because someone is a great spiritual leader, we are on the way down, I think. We must ask questions when things bother us, and the people we ask should give answers. I asked, and I am being told that in various ways that I am just not mature enough to understand. Thank you for reminding me that I am not crazy.
    By the way, we love the Palm Beach area. We cruise through there going south in the fall and north in the winter. Lake Worth has been a safe haven for us through numerous storms.

    • http://www.facebook.com/allison.vesterfelt.7 Ally Vesterfelt

      Katherine — thank you for this. It’s true that sometimes we let our respect for people override our own intuition or intelligence. I wonder if it’s because it’s easier that way? Because we don’t have to take the same accountability for our actions? If we are just trusting someone else… that makes them responsible in the end, instead of us. I’ve been guilty of that on some occasions. I think what I’m trying to find is the balance of asking questions in a way that is helpful, and doesn’t keep me spiritually or emotionally stuck.

  • http://www.facebook.com/brittisgood Brittany Alexander

    This is so good because at my previous church I asked questions and was told that I must no longer be a believer because I had concerns. Thank you for reminding me that people are flawed and it is good to ask questions.

    • http://www.facebook.com/allison.vesterfelt.7 Ally Vesterfelt

      You’re welcome, Brittany. You’re not alone. I know so many who have been “hushed” at church. I hope you know that your questions matter, and so do you. Thanks for reading and sharing.

  • John Calderon

    “Am I safe for others to share their thoughts, feelings and needs?”… is a great starting point for creating a safe atmosphere.
    1Corinthians 13:4-7
    Romans 12:9-21

    • http://www.facebook.com/allison.vesterfelt.7 Ally Vesterfelt

      Agreed, John. Thanks.

      • John Calderon

        Blessings to you Ally!

        • http://www.facebook.com/allison.vesterfelt.7 Ally Vesterfelt

          Thank you John! Same to you.

  • http://www.eloranicole.com/ elora nicole ramirez

    “I’m not interested in arguing details none of us know. I’m just saying — why aren’t we asking more questions?”

    I love this so much, Ally. I think it’s something we’re missing as a community and as a church. So many times I’ve felt the “this isn’t right” in my gut and because of those around me and the fear of being questioned myself, I’ve stayed silent. I don’t anymore – I can’t. I’ve seen too many people hurt.
    Thank you so much for sharing.

    • http://www.facebook.com/allison.vesterfelt.7 Ally Vesterfelt

      Thank you Elora! You’re not the only one who has stayed silent. So many of us have, and none of us can afford it anymore. Now the challenge is learning to speak up in a way that is constructive, not attacking, but gentle and loving, even to those who don’t deserve it, without turning a “blind eye” to the abuse that is happening.

      • http://www.facebook.com/kshevchuk Kristina Shevchuk

        The challenge? Do we not then remain silent for too long if we continue to learn? How do we know when we’ve learned it? How do we know when it’s time to speak up? I wish it were easier, that we’d just be fluent at it.

        • http://www.facebook.com/allison.vesterfelt.7 Ally Vesterfelt

          I wish it were easier too, Kristina. Trust me. I think the way we learn is by failing, first by staying too silent (which many of us have already done) and then by being too loud and untrusting, and finally by finding a balance. And maybe “arriving” at the balance isn’t the point, but the things we experience and learn about ourselves, and others, in the process…

          Not answers. Just some thoughts.

  • Natalie Pfund

    I actually stopped attending church when it finally hit me that nobody wanted to hear the questions I was asking.  Questions like:
    -Why are we giving out free soda and gmo burgers as a means to attract college students to the word?  If watching the documentaries, FLOW, and Food Inc., don’t weigh on the Christian heart, then what does it mean to be a steward of the Earth.  Also, said church was growing just fine when the main attraction  was a more cut and dry study of the Bible.
    -Why is there so much weigt put on sexual sin?  Week after week I sat boyfriendless and virginal, listening to sermons trying to talk me out of having sex, when  I was actually dying to find guidance in who I am in Christ.  If I have zero music ability and will never end up leading worship, what are my spiritual gifts to offer the world?  How do I heal my broken heart having grown up in a home with alcohol abuse, emotional abuse, and physical abuse.

    In the end, leaving church (though not turing my back to Christ) is where I found myself.  We get so caught up in details of verses, when so many life choices can be made clear if you ask yourself if your judgement and ego are out of the way, and what is the most loving thing to do?  So yes, I think it’s incredibly important to challenge church leaders (with love).  If more people ask questions, then as a whole, we will be less like sheep.

    • http://www.facebook.com/allison.vesterfelt.7 Ally Vesterfelt

      Natalie — I’m so sorry you didn’t feel like your questions were heard, let alone answered in the church. You’re not alone in finding relationship with Jesus outside of the church in a way you couldn’t while you were apart of it. As you are able and it is healthy for you, I think the church needs a voice like yours to speak gently about the convictions you have and bring insight to areas where they have blinders…

      I’m proud of you for making the healthiest decision for yourself, even if it didn’t feel popular. I’m happy you’re finding deep intimacy with Jesus, and I’m praying you will (or already have) found believers who will walk the path of healing from past abuse, etc.

  • http://www.cross-platform.org John Hanan

    I think this is one of the things I most often under-appreciate about growing up as a Pastor’s Kid. I saw behind the curtain, knew no one was perfect, didn’t fear questioning things. In fact, my parents encouraged me to question what I didn’t understand, and were not afraid to admit when they didn’t know the answers to my questions. It’s a little odd for me to read about people who don’t have this same mindset, because I really don’t understand it much. But I have made it a goal of mine to never be afraid of questions, and hopefully that can encourage others to ask them.

    • http://www.facebook.com/allison.vesterfelt.7 Ally Vesterfelt

      That’s awesome, John. Sounds like your dad was a great pastor if he encouraged people to ask questions! And like you said, because of your healthy perspective you can help others be healthy and ask questions, too. Blessed to be a blessing. Love it.

  • http://twitter.com/KellyW2010 KellyW2010

    Well asked!
    One of the first podcast sermons I listened to from the Meeting House (Ontario, Brethren), the teaching pastor asked “Did you ever think that perhaps the Scriptures were given to us not to answer our questions, but to help us ask better questions?”

    Amen. If God is big, He can handle all our questions (see Job, Psalms, Matt 27:46).

    • http://www.facebook.com/allison.vesterfelt.7 Ally Vesterfelt

      Thanks for sharing, Kelly!

  • http://kerapackage.com/ Kera Package

    Definitely something we need to talk about. Thanks for writing this! I think it’s important to note the commonalities in both the Jonestown Incident and the news story you’re referencing (and other Christian groups gone psycho). The community vision is centralized around the leadership of a charismatic individual or a few select authority figures within an exclusive, isolated communities.

    When our focus shifts from Jesus to a celebrity humanity being and our mission shifts from loving inclusive community with our neighbors (both global and local) to the growth of a particular sect and their adopted dogma, we’ve moved from Christianity into an idolatrous cult. It starts with good intentions, but as they say “absolute power corrupts absolutely.” Pyramid schemes of authority within a closed religious group are never healthy. They don’t always lead to death and destruction, but they will lead to fear and restricted freedom.

    And, you’re totally right: it beings with the freedom to ask questions. Questioning authority isn’t disrespectful. It can be a loving gesture of your concern and commitment to the community. After all, we’re all supposed to be figuring this thing out together. Anyhow, love this post. Thanks again. =]

    • http://www.facebook.com/allison.vesterfelt.7 Ally Vesterfelt

      Kera — thank you so much for sharing. I hope other readers pay attention to what you’ve said here because it sounds like you have some practical knowledge about this kind of thing. Love what you said: “absolute power corrupts absolutely.” Appreciate the thoughtful response.

  • CamieButler

    Oh my goodness… I was reading this blogpost and the story about the girl whose death was commissioned was a friend of my roommate’s. That incident really hit hard with me because it was more than just a random story…..

    • http://www.facebook.com/allison.vesterfelt.7 Ally Vesterfelt

      Oh wow. Crazy. It’s even more chilling when incidents hit that close to home… All the more important to ask questions and listen to your intuition in your own circles. Thank you for sharing.

  • http://www.adamshome.blogspot.com Erin Adams

    You are exactly right, Ally! Questions have to be allowed. Everyone has to be kept accountable, including (and especially) the leaders!
    Stuff like Jim Jones and this recent murder commissioning is super scary. Gives me the shivers!

    • http://www.facebook.com/allison.vesterfelt.7 Ally Vesterfelt

      Me too, Erin! Thanks for reading, and sharing.

  • Kris Overtoom

    From my own experience, when a pastor makes a detour, whether it involves controlling behavior, infidelity, or whatever, they are usually able to hide the depth of the problem from most people, at least for a while, and the change might even happen so gradually over a long time so that people don’t even realize that something has changed (cue frog and pot analogy) until the situation explodes into a total mess. In my situation, other things were happening with some good friends and mentors that were causing me to shut down a bit from church and I attributed a lot of the lack of response to the pastor’s message to my own numbness from dealing with the other situation and to the fact that the pastor was starting to repeat his stories a bit. I am grateful that God did place one person to ask one question that brought the situation into the light as a prelude to removing the pastor, the shepherd who was devouring some of the flock, from our church and begin the healing. My prayer for the pastor is that God also gave him the grace and the power to overcome whatever caused him to crash and burn.

    • http://www.facebook.com/allison.vesterfelt.7 Ally Vesterfelt

      Wow, Kris. Sounds like you were rescued from a very dangerous situation. Glad you listened to your gut, and allowed you friend to ask you the hard questions that led you to a place of discernment. You have a very mature perspective. Glad you dodged the bullet. Prayers for the others hurt in the process.

      • Kris Overtoom

        I guess I misrepresented the situation. It was never in danger of being a cult because God had enough people keeping the pastor causing the conflict in check. That pastor, I believe at the time was suffering from a spiritual equivalent of battle fatigue and really needed some time for God to heal him away from ministry. And the question that brought to light the conflict that the elders and leaders were trying to resolve without getting the rest of the church involved was something like, “When’s the party to send off the other pastor? Aren’t we going to pray for him and bless him as he goes off on the new venture?” It was something we had done for every other pastor who felt led by God elsewhere and was something that, as a congregation we expected. The long silence among the leaders was what made people aware of problems. And it happened several years ago and the good news is that God’s purpose in the situation was to bring healing, deeper than just the healing from the conflicts. And not just healing but growth because God’s purpose for His church is always for our good and His glory

  • Laura Gregory

    When I did ask questions in church, I was told that if I disagreed with what I had been told, I was listening to the devil, I was wrong, and not spiritually mature enough to understand the truth, and obviously I needed to spend more time studying with them. The question? Why it was so wrong to live with non-Christians, and why it was so wrong to be friends with men.

    I left, unsurprisingly, but I still feel betrayed.

    • Wendy Wolf

      For what it is worth Laura

      I believe that it is right to be friends with non-Christians and opposite gender folks.
      Jesus did it, why shouldn’t we?
      I give and receive great blessing, learning, love, joy… in both of these kinds of relationships.

      I find that a lot church leadership, a lot of human leadership is more interested in control and in being Right, than in supporting the unique views and path of their members. It doesn’t have to do with You, or Me, it has to do with Them not Being Christ in the world, not supporting our God-given free-will.

      I believe every human and every human system is bound to let us down, the expereince of betrayal is an integral part of being human.

      I am so glad for you that you took care of yourself!
      Blessings in walking your unique path, and finding fellowship that supports who you are in God.
      -Wendy

  • http://lovingfromtheinsideout.blogspot.com Connie

    I am asking more questions than I ever have. It’s kinda scary and it’s emotionally sucky, but it’s intellectually honest and necessary. Thank you SO much for this! I plan to include it in a future ‘favorites’ blog post.(Will tweet you the link when it’s up. :)

  • banat masr

    me in times when all is not right in my world. The shocking calamity and oppressiveness of the beginning of the book and stark contrast of the beauty of the promise of repayment “for the years the locusts have eaten.” Thank you for sharing your journey honestly — I pray that you begin to see and feel the promised restoration and faithfulness.

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